Don T Pass Odds

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Craps Don't Pass Odds
Don't Pass Odds In Craps

The next table shows the combined house edge on the don't pass or don't come, backed up by laying the full odds. The house edges in the don't table below are significantly less than the do table above. For example, with 3X-4X-5X odds the combined house edge on the pass is 0.374%, while on the don't pass is 0.273%. Kanye West ‘Resigned to Reality’ After Kim Kardashian's Divorce Filing: It's a ‘Somber Day’ — “It's as amicable as possible, but amicable doesn't mean joyful or ideal,” a source close to the rapper tells PEOPLE — Kimye is over. DON'T PASS/ DON'T COMES wagers can be a hedge bets against the table depending on the established point or DON T COME point. What is the best part of DP/DC wagers is that you can elect not to play them after that point has been established; With a PASS LINE/ COME wager a player is committed to this booked bet once the dice are rolled.

While playing at a 3x 4x 5x odds craps table, the maximum amount of odds that can be layed against the don't pass line bet is 6x the bet. Why is the limit 6x?
So if the point is 4, a pass line better with a $10 flat bet can bet $30 in odds while a don't pass better with a $10 flat bet can lay $60. If the point is made, the pass line better will win $70 ($10 + $60) while if there is a 7out, the don't pass better will win only $40 ($10 + $30).
Why aren't don't pass players allowed to lay a sufficient amount that they would win the same as a pass line player? In my example, why don't they allow a don't pass player lay $120 against a $10 flat which would yield a win of $70 ($10 + $60)?

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goatcabin

I suspect it's because the lay odds bets are expected to win more often than lose, the opposite of the pass bets.
On the pass line, the probability a point will be made is .406, times $70 is $28.42. (with 3, 4, 5X odds all the payoffs are $70, including the flat part)
On the DP, here are the breakdowns
4/10 .16666 of points, .6667 probability of winning $40 = $4.44
Odds

5/9 .33333 of points, .6 probability of winning $50 = $10
6/8 .41666 of points, .5454 probability of winning $60 = $13.63
They add up to $28.07.
On the right side, all the payouts are the same.
On the 'wrong' side, all the lay odds bets are the same, different winnings.

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ThatDonGuy

While playing at a 3x 4x 5x odds craps table, the maximum amount of odds that can be layed against the don't pass line bet is 6x the bet. Why is the limit 6x?

Ever wonder how they came up with the 3x/4x/5x limit? Regardless of what the point is, if you bet the maximum odds with pass, you are putting up 3/4/5x against the casino's 6x (3x @ 2-1, 4x @ 3-2, 5x @ 6-5). Presumably, the casino wants to put the same limit on the don't pass odds bettors - in this case, they're putting up the 6x against the casino's 3x/4x/5x.

MathExtremist

While playing at a 3x 4x 5x odds craps table, the maximum amount of odds that can be layed against the don't pass line bet is 6x the bet. Why is the limit 6x?

Because 6x happens to be the inverse odds for all of 3x/4x/5x. If you're at a straight 10x odds table, the lay limits are 20x, 15x, and 12x. The key is to realize the rules are take X odds to win Y, lay Y odds to win X. The odds limits are stated in terms of X. Y is implied based on the true odds payouts.
And a big part is tradition. If a don't bettor could go to a 3/4/5x table and, on a $5 point of 4, lay $60 to win $30, then everyone on the pass side would be yelling about how they can't make a $30 odds bet.

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sodawater

Think of it this way. When you play the don't odds, you are taking the other side of the pass odds.
At a 3-4-5 table, pass bettors:
* risk $30 to win $60 on the 4 and 10.
You fade that bet, risking $60 to win $30. So you win the maximum amount the right-way bettor can risk. Makes perfect sense to me.
* risk $40 to win $60 on the 5 and 9.
You put up the $60 and if the point fails, you take the $40.
* risk $50 to win $60 on the 6 and 8.
Again, you are putting up the $60 to win the $50.
That's just how don't odds work.

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AlanMendelson

Ever wonder how they came up with the 3x/4x/5x limit?

The tables game manager at Caesars palace, Jimmy Wike, is credited with being the one who 'standardized' the 3, 4, 5 odds system because he wanted to make it simpler for the dealers to pay out max odds at the tables. Each bet pays the same.

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psycho8380

i have a question about odds placing on dont come. what is the proper way to place the odds on the table for dont pass, seems every time i puy them down, the table people will arrange them some other way. if i put them on my right side they put them on the left, if i put them on the left side of my bet they put them on right, What gives, is there a specific way to lay the odds next to yor bet?

wudged

Your flat bet should be between the stick person and your odds.

TerribleTom

I usually bet table minimum + odds on the DP.
$5 on the line, point established, $30 in odds heeled - placed just barely on the edge of the chip on the line all in one neat stack.
Knowing when to heel or bridge your chips is part of craps etiquette.
I am not sure which side is preferred. I tend to set up on the end of the table to the right of the stick whenever possible, position 14 or so, and heel my odds on the left of my line wager (away from the bank/dealer) and have never had the dealer ask me to re-position my bet.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/14712-bridging-vs-heeling-your-odds-on-the-dont/
I'd love to see Ahigh or someone put up a Youtube video explaining the whole bridge/heel and which side to use in detail.

SanchoPanza

i have a question about odds placing on dont come. what is the proper way to place the odds on the table for dont pass,?

Don't Pass Odds In Craps

For the DC, you don't have to worry. You're not allowed to position the odds. As don't come players tend to gravitate next to the dealer because of ease and convention, you can put down whatever permitted odds chips you want on the apron near the DC box. The dealer will move them and/or let you know if that's all right with him/her.

Ahigh

For the don't pass, the correct position for the don't pass bet is directly in front of you. If you are on the stick man's right side, your lay odds go on the right. If you are on the stick man's left side, your odds go on the left. The dealer will pay lay odds bets starting with the closest to him. They pay the lay odds bet first and the don't pass bet second when they are set up properly.
The only time that you would stack it on the wrong side would be if there is more than one person playing the don't pass on your side of the table and you're not the first person to do a lay odds bet.
In that case, you follow the convention of the other players for consistency to prevent your bet from being confused with the person next to you if they take their bet away.
You generally bridge stack when the lay odds and the don't pass bet both win the same amount of money.
The exception would be if you have a $6 don't pass and a $9 lay odds on a five or a nine. You can actually bridge stack this, but a dealer will very likely change it to a heel stack. It can be comical.

SGIT

The exception would be if you have a $6 don't pass and a $9 lay odds on a four or a nine. You can actually bridge stack this, but a dealer will very likely change it to a heel stack. It can be comical.

I'm guessing that you meant 5 or 9, because $9 lay odds on a 4 will result in a $4 or $4.50 payoff (depending on breakage).

Ahigh

I'm guessing that you meant 5 or 9, because $9 lay odds on a 4 will result in a $4 or $4.50 payoff (depending on breakage).

Yes, and there are more cases where you win the same amount, but where, because there are different colored chips involved, most dealers will expect the lay odds to be a heel stack instead of a bridge stack.
I generally like to bridge stack anything that qualifies as possible just to see if the dealer will heel stack it anyway, and then ask them why it can't be bridged stack if I am winning the same amount from the lay odds as the flat bet.
But always heel stack if you have multiple chip colors on the don't pass and are not a trouble maker like me.

Tomspur

It all depends on payouts. if the dealer can simply cut into the bridge to pay then that is whatw ill happen but if the dealer cannot cut into the bridge, in other words the payout amount is not equal to two times the 'bottom' of the bridge, then the dealer will heel the odds in such a way that he and the boxman can clearly see the amount of odds layed.
The guys who have previously answered are mostly correct.

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guitarmandp

For some reason I do a lot better when I bet a big flat bet than betting the minimum with odds. For example yesterday I bet $10 and did 5x odds and I lost $400. It especially hurt when the shooter made back to back 10's and I lost $100 each time. Today I just bet $50 on the don't pass with no odds and I made $800.

TerribleTom

Mathematically, that's a terrible idea.
The risk of 7/11 on the come out roll is too great.

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